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Posted by: fryedsoft, October 23, 2006, 7:53pm
A few weeks ago, I got hold of a PDF version of the Ti-Nspire handbook that comes with the beta hardware. What I found (or should I say didn't find) pretty much doomed the thing basic programming wise.

From the looks of things, Syntax wise it appears to be compatible with Ti-92 basic except for one critical exception. The calculator appears to not have any draw functions in any way. I didn't see any picture support whatsoever, no pixel drawing support, or even graph screen text support. Apparently all drawing functions were removed from this calculator. Data matrices appear to be dead in favor of more powerful matrix commands and Expr and indirection is still there from the looks of it, but that's about it.

Whats that mean to basic programmers? Pray for a graphics library to come out, because you're not going to be doing it in straight basic anymore. hopefully, since the product is in beta (as well as the documentation) this might change (or has already changed) in the future, but as it currently stands from my point of view, it doesn't look too good.
Posted by: tifreak8x, October 24, 2006, 3:25pm; Reply: 1
Yeah, that would suck. O_O

Though I am sure they would not forget to put in draw stuff... that would just be... stupid... :/

Am I correct if recalling that the NSPIRE will only be 150.00??
Posted by: fryedsoft, October 24, 2006, 5:42pm; Reply: 2
I'm not hearing anything about price yet, but I can pretty much guarantee that it's not going to be over $200. Even my Ti-92, which was the most expensive calc I bought, was only $185, and that was almost immediatly after it's launch.

I hope that the PDF is wrong. It doesn't seem to be complete, since it doesn't appear to have a programming section in the manual, (I'd post the manual I found online, but i'd probably be breaking some sort of Copyright law or something) but if these functions are lacking it's not looking too good.

When I get a chance, I'm going to read more of it in detail to see what it can and cannot do, since most of what I read is coming from the catalog section of the manual. (the only section worth reading on any calc book, next to the nonexisting Programming section) From the skimming i did, it appears to focus a lot on the spreadsheet like functionality and graphing abilities the calc has.
Posted by: tifreak8x, November 10, 2006, 12:00am; Reply: 3
So, have you found anything that suggests that BASIC programmers will be able to actually build things for this calculator?? Maybe we should just email TI about it... :/
Posted by: fryedsoft, November 10, 2006, 6:28pm; Reply: 4
nothing yet, since they don't sell it here.

Xlibman's probably got a better bet in that dept, since it appears they sell them in canada.
Posted by: tifreak8x, November 11, 2006, 12:57am; Reply: 5
hey xlibman, get us both a ti nspire so we can see what it is all about.

:P  :D ;D
Posted by: 4 (Guest), November 11, 2006, 1:44am; Reply: 6
well over where i live all they sells anymore is TI-83+, TI-84+, TI-84+SE and TI-89 Titanium, nothing else :( , but anyway it will suck if there is no BASIC for this calc, people will have to learn asm to code it, and before asm doc come out it will be a while before people can make decent games for it and before someone take time to write TIGCC for this calc
Posted by: fryedsoft, November 11, 2006, 2:10am; Reply: 7
Let me take that back, Canada doesn't have it now but Canada does get it first from the looks of it.
Quoted from The Ti-Nspire FAQ Page
Where and when will the TI-Nspire CAS+ be available?
The TI-Nspire CAS+ handheld and TI-Nspire CAS Software will be available in 2007 through select Canadian dealers. Please call 1-800-TI-CARES for updates on purchase information.
Posted by: 4 (Guest), November 12, 2006, 3:53am; Reply: 8
oh i thought it was alerady out
Posted by: fryedsoft, November 13, 2006, 8:44pm; Reply: 9
so did I :)
Posted by: fryedsoft, November 18, 2006, 3:39am; Reply: 10
http://www.atomiclearning.com/ti_nspire has some Nspire tutorials that shows generally what the nspire can do. although there is nothing programming going on in any of the demos.

It seems like their focusing more on the geometry and graphing function of this calculator and less on calculations and programming, like it's more for displaying data in a class rather than actually being used for serious number crunching. It reminds me more of cabri geometry and derive, rather than an actual calculator.

The books just have nothing on programming the thing, and the link software that the NSpire uses doesn't reference programming at all. (it can accept document files, backups and OS upgrades. it doesn't tell you what kinds of documents the documents can be.)

the booklets references http://www.education.ti.com/nspire and http://education.ti.com/go/nspireenglish but as of yet it goes to the TI main page. If you select canada on one of the sites it goes to the tell nothing about the calculator nspire page.
Posted by: fryedsoft, January 1, 2007, 10:20am; Reply: 11
more insight on this calc.

From what I'm seeing, it doesn't seem to support programs at all, but it supports functions like the 89 does, with all of the limits of functions.

The below is from the 89 manual
Quoted from the 89 manual
A user-defined function:

• Can use the following instructions only. Any others are invalid.
Cycle
For...EndFor
Lbl
Return
Define
Goto
Local
While...EndWhile
Exit
If...EndIf (all forms)
Loop...EndLoop
->(Sto-> key)

• Can use all built-in TI-89 Titanium / Voyage™ 200 functions except:
setFold
setTable
setGraph
switch
setMode

• Can refer to any variable; however, it can store a value to a local variable only.
- The arguments used to pass values to a function are treated as local variables automatically. If you store to any other variables, you must declare them as local from within the function.
• Cannot call a program as a subroutine, but it can call another user-defined function.
• Cannot define a program.
• Cannot define a global function, but it can define a local function.
Note: Information about local variables is available.

All of these functions described above are defined in the documentation, but ones you would expect for programming, such as input, disp, ETC are nowhere to be found.

Now I can't confirm this since I don't have one in front of me, but from how I have seen functions used in the examples, it seems that this is the level of programming that the Nspire is going to support.
Posted by: Garibaldi, December 6, 2007, 3:49am; Reply: 12
well, i just bought a TI nspire and i really like it but i cant seem to understand it that good. can any one please tell me how can I even integrate.
Posted by: fryedsoft, December 7, 2007, 5:13am; Reply: 13
I don't have an Nspire, so I can't really help you much.

From looking at the Ti-Nspire CAS reference guides, The Nspire CAS (the Grey one) can do it but the Nspire (the Blue one) cannot (or at least it's not in the Nspire reference guide). In the CAS reference guide, the command is described similar to the 89 syntax.
Posted by: Garibaldi, December 8, 2007, 6:28pm; Reply: 14
the TI nspire(the blue one) should integrate, it even has a function that says numerical integral, but I have looked every where and i doesnt say how to use it.
Anyways why would they make such a complex calculator that doesnt integrate:S
Posted by: fryedsoft, December 8, 2007, 6:49pm; Reply: 15
go to http://education.ti.com/guidebooks/ti-nspire_cas/TI-NspireCAS_ReferenceGuide_EN.pdf

The Command is described in page 123 (129 using the PDF page) of the nspire CAS manual. If you can do that symbol on the blue nspire i don't see why it wouldn't work, but this calc seems to be an enigma in that it actually seems to do less than their previous models. I can almost see Ti removing the command to use the extra memory for the ti-83 emultion or just to sell CAS's. Why they would do that is beyond me.
Posted by: Garibaldi, December 9, 2007, 2:11am; Reply: 16
thanks, but here is the thing, apparently the templates dont work because when I try to use them it says that they only work for the CAS. But when i try to derivate the other way by nDeriv( the way the guide tells me to it says "Error: Variable is not defined". I really don't get this calculator. If the CAS doesn't integrate then I'll just have to use the TI-84 plus keypad that it brings. I still think it wasn't a good Idea to make a calculator that doesnt integrate.
Posted by: Garibaldi, December 9, 2007, 2:14am; Reply: 17
Ohh, I forgot to mention that i just bought the Nspire because i lost my TI-89 titanium. I bought it because when I looked up calculators i thought that the TI-Nspire would be just like the TI-89 Titanium but with a better GUI.
Posted by: fryedsoft, December 9, 2007, 7:35am; Reply: 18
You would think the Nspire would be better, but it seems gimped to me from what I can tell.  It's more of a portable PowerPoint presenter and a data collector than it is a graphing calculator.

I swear that Ti anymore builds their calcs based on high school teacher input instead of Math professors and scientist input. Teachers want pretty graphics and ease of use while professors and scientists want raw power and calculation expandability. Teachers don't want programming capabilities because in their mind it turns them into a gameboy (Completely ignoring the fact that programming takes math to make a game work right not to mention gets students interested in computer programming) while professors want programming to solve complex problems without having to enter 20 equations manually each time. I think this is the same reason the Ti-82 OS keeps living on and on and the Ti-85 OS is dead, even though the Ti-85 OS was much more superior in many aspects and ran on basically the same hardware with a slightly bigger screen. The Ti-92 is the last calc OS they made with Both Teachers and Professors in mind. Thankfully they haven't snuffed it like they did the Ti-85/6 yet but who knows, they'll probably replace it with the Ti-84 super saiyan edition anytime now with bright flashing yellow case, 16 MB of flash and the same limitations and 24K Ram Footprint the Ti-82 has had for almost 15 years now.

Anyway, Have you tried updating the OS on it? It sounds like they added some program functionality to it, but still not enough to make it programmable. Maybe they added some more commands as well.
Posted by: Garibaldi, December 10, 2007, 12:18am; Reply: 19
where can i update the OS?

I'm kind of mad because why would they make 2 different Nspire with almost no difference between them:S
Posted by: Garibaldi, December 10, 2007, 12:19am; Reply: 20
It makes me feel like the one i bought is obsolete:P
Posted by: fryedsoft, December 10, 2007, 12:51am; Reply: 21
http://www.ti-nspire.com/tools/nspire/resources/download_upgrade.html
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